Pardus 2008 RC2

Pardus is a release that I didn't discover by myself; more it was thrust in front of me by a community of passionate users. Whenever I was looking for 'the most usable' distro someone would always recommend Pardus - so I gave it a go. I tried 2007.1 way back on the 12th of May 2007 and was very, very impressed. I then tried the RC2 of Kurulan at the end of June the same year with positive results too.

Somehow I always end up reviewing release candidates rather than the finished article, but when I saw that RC2 for Pardus 2008 was released I felt compelled to don my reviewing hat and see how things have progressed - nearly 12 months since I last touched this remarkable Turkish OS.

Pardus 2008 features

The final release of 2008 is due on June 27th worldwide so we can expect this RC2 edition to be fairly final (although there will obviously be some margin on that). Pardus 2008 is really the most obvious progression from 2007; using the latest Kernel (2.6.25.5) and the latest KDE4 available. They've also updated most of the other packages (things like PISI - the package manager, YALI - the installer) and there's a new design/feel so it's basically a whole new OS.

Pardus normally release separate disks for install and LiveCD environments but because this is a release candidate there isn't a LiveCD yet... But here's hoping one is released when the final version comes out.

Installation

I (unlike many other reviewers) place an almost unfair amount of weight upon the installation process because it's the first place for things to go wrong. A counter-intuitive installer is sometimes all it takes for users to abandon a system; we need something that doesn't require technical knowledge. An installer needs to hold your hand all the way through the process and (yet again) YALI excels. Ironically an acronym for 'Yet Another Linux Installer' it outdoes most other installers and finds itself up there with things like Draklive.

pardus 2008

Ubuntu may still lead the race in this area by wielding Wubi; allowing prospective users to install the distro as a Windows application (ish) is marvelous and something other releases should aspire towards. This RC2 of Pardus may not have a LiveCD version but the installer is among the easiest I've used.

pardus 2008

Even the inclusion of friendly cartoon characters that smile back at you as it installs is welcome; prompting you to feel welcome. Too many installers are very sterile and vague in their actions (Vista, most notably) so it's nice to not only be told what it's doing, but the installer sells the OS to you too. Talking about the benefits of using the system, the software provided, the community... It's not the fastest installer in the world but as far as I'm concerned it's not a race; install it properly in a friendly manner and I'm willing to avoid clock watching.

pardus installation

To top it all off, when it's finished installing it says "Goodbye from YALI, enjoy your fresh Pardus" to make you feel like an expert has finished his work and is handing you over to another to help you on your way. Nice touch...

pardus 2008 installer

pardus 2008 install

Aesthetics

I always feel a little shallow for approaching something so superficial so early in the review but I consider aesthetics an important part of system acceptance. Hell, it's easier to remain in an abusive relationship if your partner is beautiful so I'm more willing to gloss over the occasional fault in the same manner.

pardus login

The login screen isn't as polished as I was expecting making it a bit of an inauspicious start for Pardus (although I found the same thing with PCLOS Gnome edition, and learned not to care). It's at the point where you first login that you meet the Kaptan; a friendly looking cartoon character who guides you through your new OS.

pardus kaptan

While the majority of this introduction is academic for the majority of people who install Pardus, it is nice to have a walkthrough there for those who are fresh to Linux. It's good that it explains the package manager in this process too - something that is normally left to the user to figure out.

pardus 2008 desktop

I chose to go through the Kaptan and re-theme my Pardus to use the transparent one and use a floral background; from dull, normal OS to aesthetic wonder in 3 clicks, all through the initial 'welcome' screen - nice. It allows the user to get things looking hot and sexy straight from the off - and make no mistake, Pardus looks great.

The icon design is nice and modern, the menus are fairly conventional and the whole thing is nice and easy to get around. What more can I say?

Networking and Connectivity

Networking in Pardus was also handled during the initial Kaptan setup process; it found and configured my connection without any real intervention from me which is always a good start. The next step to having the Internet is to try connecting to my Windows network...

pardus konqueror skin

The skin for Konqueror is somewhat striking if not a little out of place - sure Pardus is orange in a lot of places but I'm not sure this specific dashboard needs to have this mix of orange and white text with a drop shadow - it all looks like ClearType gone wrong.

pardus networking

Samba shares are accessible by default which makes life nice and painless if (like me) you have a Windows machine with all your media on it (which is unlikely, but hey). The next step is testing the out of the box functionality and media playback.

Out of the box functionality

While out of the box functionality may seem like a strange concept under Linux (you know, where everything is free) I still consider it important. Modern Linux should work well out of the box and I like to see decent media support by default too. So I'll grab a video file from my Samba share and give it a go.

While I still can't understand why various distros ship with Kaffeine as the default media player when there are much better alternatives available, it works fine in this instance. My chosen episode of Seinfeld plays without problem. It's a bit of a grey area over the community - the use of proprietary codecs - but for me I consider it a necessary addition.

pardus playing seinfeld

One of the worst aspects of a fresh Windows XP install is obtaining all the codecs you require and that's something that almost every Linux release tackles in one way, shape or form these days. I don't personally mind whether they're preloaded or downloaded on demand, but there needs to be a seemless workflow to your video playing. I don't want to be told "No codecs" and have to source them myself. Pardus manages media playback out of the box and that's important to me.

As for software, pretty much all your needs are covered directly post install in Pardus. The usual faces are here (OpenOffice, GIMP, a media player, Firefox) but it doesn't stop there - every possible whim is catered for. FTP programs, screenshot utilities, a multitude of office applications... You could happily hand someone a Pardus installation CD and be confident that their needs will be met for quite some time.

Package Management and Control Centre

Both the TASMA configuration utilty and the PISI package manager are pinned to the 'start' menu which makes life easy (whereas in Ubuntu you need to remember which menu to look in, etc) Pardus makes life easy. PISI is a fairly typical package manager - those who have used Synaptic before won't recognise the difference. The average user should have fun 'shopping' through the list of available applications too because installation is a point-and-click affair.

tasma pardus

The TASMA configuration centre reminds me heavily of the excellent one found in PCLinuxOS and caters for both the average and advanced user. The key with control centres is the use of language; it's all well and good that "Display Settings" and "Appearance and Themes" are largely synonymous in my head but the average user might be slightly confused - which is why Pardus lands on the latter. The language within the control centre is uncomplicated and (although I can't quantify why) it just doesn't feel imposing. Sometimes configuration utilities can imply that one incorrect movement could leave you picking computer parts out of your face, so it's important that you feel supported throughout your changes.

Usability

Like so many Linux releases of late, usability is excellent. Your hand is held throughout a simple installation process, you're welcomed into the OS by a walkthrough that allows you to start making it feel like home. The menu system is intuitive and both the package manager and configuration utilities are accessible by those with even the most basic of IT experience. The only barrier I can see people having to Pardus is the lack of arms, because everything else is catered for.

Conclusion

For a non-english release you wouldn't know it. In previous versions of Pardus there were times where you became aware that it was developed with another language in mind but that seems to have completely gone with 2008. When you initially load the installer it's not in English, but that's easy to resolve and the developers have clearly made that path nice and easy - allowing the English speaking world easy access to a great release.

I can't fault Pardus. I really can't. I (like many other reviewers) love to find fault and exercise our wit while being cruel but there's no opportunity to do that here. Pardus meets you half way every time and that's not something I find very often with releases. The colour scheme isn't annoying and it's highly configurable (on a KDE base). I only hope that it comes with a LiveCD when the final version is released because this really is a release that demands more users than it has.

I love finding fault when reviewing products, services and software, so consider this my standing ovation to Pardus for being nigh on faultless. They've got a top notch operating system on their hands and I'm willing to say this might be one of the best releases of 2008.

Think I'm wrong or that I've missed something massive out? Shout at me in the comments but if you've not used Pardus yet, I recommend you give it a whirl.

Yes, there is something left

Yes, there is something left out of this review... Unfortunately Pardus does not have a very large number of packages available, and users with more advanced needs will either find themselves out in the cold, or compiling at the terminal.

Submitted by Cranky Old Bald Man with No Hands (not verified) on Mon, 06/23/2008 - 01:51.
I have installed Pardus

I have installed Pardus 2007.3 with the contrib repository (add it in Pisi, it's easy):

http://en.pardus-wiki.org/Contrib_repository

More links (very useful):

http://en.pardus-wiki.org/Pardus:Pardus-2008_Roadmap

http://planet.pardus.org.tr/

http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/index.html

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/

the wish list http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?board=12.0

http://www.pardus-fr.org/

To the reviewer: Try SMPlayer (contrib repository); better than Kaffeine for me.

Regards :)

Submitted by lorrain (not verified) on Tue, 06/24/2008 - 10:51.
I have installed Pardus

I have installed Pardus 2007.3 with the contrib repository (add it in Pisi, it's easy):

http://en.pardus-wiki.org/Contrib_repository

More links (very useful):

http://en.pardus-wiki.org/Pardus:Pardus-2008_Roadmap

http://planet.pardus.org.tr/

http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/index.html

http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/

the wish list http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?board=12.0

http://www.pardus-fr.org/

To the reviewer: Try SMPlayer (contrib repository); better than Kaffeine for me.

Regards :)

Submitted by lorrain (not verified) on Tue, 06/24/2008 - 13:40.
Nice Review..Pardus deserves

Nice Review..Pardus deserves a better position in distrowatch(Pardus has been steadily moving upward after the 2008 announcement).

Submitted by vasanth (not verified) on Mon, 06/23/2008 - 03:55.
A good review. I have been

A good review.

I have been using Pardus since 2007 release and is the only Os on my Laptop. I coudn't really find any fault with it.

I feel very much comfortable with it doing programming or just writing docs.

Awaiting the 2008 final release in a couple of days time.

Submitted by Ganesh (not verified) on Mon, 06/23/2008 - 04:59.
It's great that someone has

It's great that someone has taken the trouble to review a Release Candidate. Usaually we see only reviews of the final releases of GNU/Linux distros. This will help the developers to make changes to suit the community before the final release.

I hope that we'll see more reviews of the release candidates instead of reviewers' complaining in the review of the final release that nothing's working for them, or that they found too many bugs to be happy.

Now about Pardus, it's great to see that tour guide sort of approach with Kaptan. I know how it is when newbies are never able to unleash the true power of Linux because they don't know about all the available features. Am dying to get my laptop on Pardus.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 06/23/2008 - 05:20.
Of all KDE centric

Of all KDE centric distributions, PARDUS is in my opinion the best of them. For me, this release is even better as Ubuntu which is currently installed on my computer.

I can't wait getting their final release to install it on my second hard drive beside Ubuntu!

Great work!

Submitted by Dieter Spahn (not verified) on Mon, 06/23/2008 - 09:09.
I think it´s one of the

I think it´s one of the very best distros at the momment - but I miss the 3G options in networkmanagement.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 06/23/2008 - 09:39.
Which distro has G3 support

Which distro has G3 support out of the box. I don't tink any. If at all you find information on the G3 modem E220 (Huawei) on the net.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 07/19/2008 - 21:02.
i wish Pardus has Gnome

i wish Pardus has Gnome edition too

Submitted by LuTFi (not verified) on Mon, 06/23/2008 - 17:55.
Gnome-packages you find in

Gnome-packages you find in the Contribut-Repos.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 06/24/2008 - 05:50.
Interesting review. I am

Interesting review. I am tempted to have a look at this distro. But the main reason I am writing this is to let you know that I am having a technical problem with reading the talkbacks. The ends of the lines are somehow cut off too soon. For an example taken more or less at random:

I can't wait getting their final r

(line cut off)

install it on my second hard dri

(line cut off)

Ubuntu!

I am running Firefox 3.0.

Sorry to have to report the problem. I did enjoy the review.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 06/24/2008 - 04:40.
A Pardus Gnome Edition would

A Pardus Gnome Edition would be good. Considering how the KDE looks on pardus, I am sure the Pardus team will make Gnome look yummy. Then again, its not the looks, I think its good to have a Gnome edition to cater to more of the community

Submitted by Layzeeboy (not verified) on Tue, 06/24/2008 - 05:24.
Thanks for a very nice

Thanks for a very nice review.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 06/24/2008 - 07:42.
Many thanks for this review,

Many thanks for this review, I recently found Pardus after a painful distro hopping period. I think it is currently the best free Linux distribution, I never tried the commercial ones so I cannot comment on them.

I would like you to add some points about Pardus which might even make this review better.

1) The Pardus structure, the new init system, PISI, etc...

2) The use of Python/QT/KDE in all Pardus tools. http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng/projects/comar/PythonInPardus.html

I am surprised that some leading KDE distro such as Mandriva and PCLinuxOS use GTK for their administration utilities. Why would the user want to load extra libraries when suitable KDE applications exist. The only reason I could have think of for Mandriva is that since they support Gnome as well, the decided to create GTK tools which are easily themed under KDE. I read recently that qt is working on a theming engine for qt application to make them look natual under gnome. So I hope Mandriva can make use of this and rewrite the GTK applications into KDE ones.

3) Please emphasize on the fact the Pardus is funded and developed by the Scientific & Technological Research Council of Turkey. Unlike other distro, which are a one man show, Pardus will only move forward.

4) The speed/responsive of the system. I found Pardus to be the fastest full KDE distro available. I think this might releate to the sole use of Python and qt libraries, which elimentate the need for mono or GTK. Also, on my machine Pardus had the smallest number of processes running, when compared to PCLinuxOS, OpenSUSE, Kubuntu or Mandriva.

Although, this is out of the scope of the review, but I would love to see a performance comparison between Pardus and other leading KDE distributions.

And please do review the final release and the live CD when they are out.

Submitted by Kais Hassan (not verified) on Tue, 06/24/2008 - 15:20.
Thanks for the review. I've

Thanks for the review. I've noticed this distribution on distrowatch many times, but have never tried it. I think I'll grab the final when it comes out and install it on one of my old laptops to see how well it compares to Mint 5 (my current Everything Just Works favorite).

Submitted by Mr O (not verified) on Tue, 06/24/2008 - 16:08.
One thing I'd like to see in

One thing I'd like to see in your reviews: how do the fonts look after the installation? Some distros seem to do a better job than others in setting up decent fonts that don't look like crap (especially in Firefox), without having to to a lot of manual tweaking. The two distros I've seen so far that have nice-looking fonts by default (at least in the installations I've done so far) are PCLinuxOS and Debian "Lenny".

Submitted by Rob (not verified) on Tue, 06/24/2008 - 17:20.
Read the reply to the first

Read the reply to the first comment. I hope this link proves helpful:

http://www.pardus-fr.org/g2008/

Regards.

Submitted by lorrain (not verified) on Tue, 06/24/2008 - 18:20.
Nice Review. Ihave been

Nice Review.
Ihave been Pardus sinle 1 year. I have tied to use Ubuntu and OpenSuse. I think Pardus is more stable and has more much more better than those.
Pardus should be on top 5 in In Disstrowatch rank.
Regards.
Kalkavan

Submitted by kalkavan (not verified) on Tue, 06/24/2008 - 20:18.
Pardus isn't only a "good

Pardus isn't only a "good set of applications" distro, most of the provided software has also a no-nonsense configuration (just comparing Vim in Ubuntu and in Pardus - the latter has the most needed features enabled by default).

Secondly to be honest - Pardus 2008 is the first distro that made my laptop's external LCD work right (setting the resolution etc.)

Pardus in numbers (as the number of packages in the repos) seems to be worse than the leaders of the gang - Ubuntu, Fedora, openSuSE or ... (put your favourite, mainstream distro). But if it works, why don't use it?

There are several strange (or maybe novell) ideas, but it's just something new, something different - that's what opensource is all about, isn't it?

Submitted by pettersolberg (not verified) on Thu, 06/26/2008 - 15:15.
Nice to see a good KDE

Nice to see a good KDE oriented distro... more and more distributions are switching towards gnome.. please Pardus engineering team,don't make that move.. Pardus is the best KDE oriented disro :) :)

BTW ..
http://worldforum.pardus-linux.nl/index.php?PHPSESSID=71061b3381e22117cd...

PARDUS 2008 RELEASED :) :)

Submitted by moondowner (not verified) on Fri, 06/27/2008 - 17:03.
In the past years I have

In the past years I have nearly tried every distribution, and after installing Pardus 2008 RC2 I can confirm that this distribution is the BEST KDE-centric distribution available today. In my opinion it is a shame what openSUSE 11.0 or Mandriva 2008 Spring does deliver compared with Pardus 2008.

My congratulations to the Pardus developer team for their fantastic work!

Submitted by Dieter Spahn (not verified) on Fri, 06/27/2008 - 18:44.
Pardus 2008 has been

Pardus 2008 has been released! Downloading it now...

Submitted by Rob (not verified) on Fri, 06/27/2008 - 19:52.
i dont like gnome so i was

i dont like gnome so i was looking for a good working kde distro.
Pardus 2008 works perfectly on my acer aspire 5315 laptop.

Hope it stays that way with the coming updates.
had some bad experiences with 2007...

Pardus 2008 is the most complete and i guess 1 of the best working distro`s for this laptop.
I allready tried the top 10 of distrowatch distro`s, but this one is better for me :-)

Submitted by Jan Wesselink (not verified) on Sat, 06/28/2008 - 18:01.
This is one of the better

This is one of the better reviews I have read, thanks to the use of screen captures and fair comments by the reviewer. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the perfect score, I give Pardus 2008 Final Release a 9.0 for my own systems.

I didnt think I would describe a Linux distro as beautiful, but this is what Pardus 2008 is for me. Simply beautiful. At least, I can make it beautiful on my system the way I cannot make other distros to be. While some peple complain about lack of software on it, I find it loaded armed to the teeth even with only the default ones on the installation CD! It has all those that I needed to work on it anyway, and then more of those I have no need yet.

It has those little things that suggest high quality in a distro. Plug a USB disk and insert a DVD on the drive and you will see their icons neatly lined up on the desktop- not overlapping like on other distros.

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 07:53.
I installed the release

I installed the release version of this on my test box. I haqd been dual booting Vista and Sidux on it. Not having a free partition I used the Pardus program to resize the vista and sidux root partitions.

Wellsir, Pardus royally pooched both of those partitions and so I am left with vista and sidux installs that will not boot. Sidux says the superblock size doesn't match what it thinks it ought to be, and vista complains of missing boot files.

So, big thumbs down to Pardus in the Plays Well With Others department. Otherwise it looks nice and is quite clean. I did not go too far into it, having to reinstall Sidux and all (don't really give a fig about Vista at the moment).

In the end I think I will stick with one of the larger distributions, for the better selection of ready-to-install software.

Submitted by Mr. O (not verified) on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 15:18.
well, I used Pardus for

well, I used Pardus for several times. I think it is the best OS that uses KDE. I prefer gnome and I hope there will be a gnome edition of Pardus. But surely that can be handled by installing gnome.
It was realy cool using an Linux %100 Turkish.

Hope Pardus 2008 is better.

Submitted by pavlov (not verified) on Sat, 07/12/2008 - 11:00.
Pardus rocks!!!

Pardus rocks!!!

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 07/24/2008 - 01:01.

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